Fighting in the Heart of Liberal Madison for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This blog will focus on liberal hypocrisy and the small, but significant victories of the right at the University of Wisconsin - Madison.

13 October 2005

A really stupid comment...

In response to my 7 part series "Who is really protesting the war", one commenter left something so stupid I thought everyone should see it.

Anonymous said...

Dudes. Most soldiers are morons, or just terribly desperate. As are most people who blindly follow one ideology, party, leader, or religion. It ain't the liberals who feel that. Most of them are morons too. Read a little conservative philosophy: Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, Quine. Just listen to Rumsfeld and you'll understand what big-brains think about the pawns in the field.

By calling "most soldiers...morons" you are seriously biting the hand that protects you. You are such a hypocrite. The very soldiers that you are denigrating give YOU the right to say what you just said. I dare you to say that comment to a soldier's face, instead of hiding behind the anonymous title. By the way, thank you for proving my 7 part series correct: the people behind the anti-war movement ARE against the troops.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guy who wrote "something so stupid": I'm anonymous cause I'm in that fucking USMC, and I know what total morons I serve with. Furthermore, I'm for the war and love seeing people die for Georgie's amusement.

Thu Oct 13, 08:12:00 PM CDT

Blogger RT the LT said...

Anonymous, get off your high horse and give your name. Where have your served? Where are you stationed? If you are in the USMC, like you say you are, I like they way you describe your brothers in arms. You must be a great team player. No marine would hide behind "anonymous" you lying coward.

Thu Oct 13, 08:44:00 PM CDT

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobby, you sound like what we used to call a "true believer" in Gulf Uno. We had our fair share of shit-brains and I got the honor of seeing a couple shred unarmed hostiles for kicks. And if you think that team morality of a unit stops that kind of behavior then come visit us in Gitmo. But I digress. The US is the mightiest m-f fighting force the world has ever seen, and I rest easy knowing that if any slant eye chink tries to vie with us for control we won't have to put boots to the ground but can twice cook them like Hiroshima/Nagasaki pork! Go USA Go!

Thu Oct 13, 10:42:00 PM CDT

Blogger RT the LT said...

Listen up Anonymous, I see right through your "im going to pretend to be in the USMC to gain credibility" scheme. First, don't ever talk down to me like I don't understand the world. If you saw a "shit-brain" shred unarmed hostiles, I want to know why you did not follow the UCMJ and report it. Lastly, you lying coward, never pretend to me in the military while spouting that hateful rhetoric. I know you want to make the USMC look like animals, like Moore, but that won't work on this blog. Again, NO MARINE WOULD EVER HIDE BEHIND "ANONYMOUS." I know you are from NYC, you use Safari 1.3 (you have a MAC) and you have an IP address of 68.175.21#, what USMC detachment is in NYC? Are you reserve? What rank where you? The fact that you won't answer these simple questions proves my point: you are a fraud...stop pretending to be something you are not.

Fri Oct 14, 12:45:00 AM CDT

Anonymous LCpl Jake said...

Who would believe an Air Force Cadet would stick up for the Marines? You tell em Bob.

Sun Oct 16, 11:05:00 PM CDT

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a graduate of West Point currently serving as a Captain in the U.S. Army Infantry. I have served two combat tours with the 82nd Airborne Division, one each in Afghanistan and Iraq. While I served in the Global War on Terror, the actions and statements of my leadership led me to believe that United States policy did not require application of the Geneva Conventions in Afghanistan or Iraq. On 7 May 2004, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's testimony that the United States followed the Geneva Conventions in Iraq and the "spirit" of the Geneva Conventions in Afghanistan prompted me to begin an approach for clarification. For 17 months, I tried to determine what specific standards governed the treatment of detainees by consulting my chain of command through battalion commander, multiple JAG lawyers, multiple Democrat and Republican Congressmen and their aides, the Ft. Bragg Inspector General's office, multiple government reports, the Secretary of the Army and multiple general officers, a professional interrogator at Guantanamo Bay, the deputy head of the department at West Point responsible for teaching Just War Theory and Law of Land Warfare, and numerous peers who I regard as honorable and intelligent men.

Instead of resolving my concerns, the approach for clarification process leaves me deeply troubled. Despite my efforts, I have been unable to get clear, consistent answers from my leadership about what constitutes lawful and humane treatment of detainees. I am certain that this confusion contributed to a wide range of abuses including death threats, beatings, broken bones, murder, exposure to elements, extreme forced physical exertion, hostage-taking, stripping, sleep deprivation and degrading treatment. I and troops under my command witnessed some of these abuses in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

This is a tragedy. I can remember, as a cadet at West Point, resolving to ensure that my men would never commit a dishonorable act; that I would protect them from that type of burden. It absolutely breaks my heart that I have failed some of them in this regard.

That is in the past and there is nothing we can do about it now. But, we can learn from our mistakes and ensure that this does not happen again. Take a major step in that direction; eliminate the confusion. My approach for clarification provides clear evidence that confusion over standards was a major contributor to the prisoner abuse. We owe our soldiers better than this. Give them a clear standard that is in accordance with the bedrock principles of our nation.

Some do not see the need for this work. Some argue that since our actions are not as horrifying as Al Qaeda's, we should not be concerned. When did Al Qaeda become any type of standard by which we measure the morality of the United States? We are America, and our actions should be held to a higher standard, the ideals expressed in documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Others argue that clear standards will limit the President's ability to wage the War on Terror. Since clear standards only limit interrogation techniques, it is reasonable for me to assume that supporters of this argument desire to use coercion to acquire information from detainees. This is morally inconsistent with the Constitution and justice in war. It is unacceptable.

Both of these arguments stem from the larger question, the most important question that this generation will answer. Do we sacrifice our ideals in order to preserve security? Terrorism inspires fear and suppresses ideals like freedom and individual rights. Overcoming the fear posed by terrorist threats is a tremendous test of our courage. Will we confront danger and adversity in order to preserve our ideals, or will our courage and commitment to individual rights wither at the prospect of sacrifice? My response is simple. If we abandon our ideals in the face of adversity and aggression, then those ideals were never really in our possession. I would rather die fighting than give up even the smallest part of the idea that is "America."

Once again, I strongly urge you to do justice to your men and women in uniform. Give them clear standards of conduct that reflect the ideals they risk their lives for.

With the Utmost Respect,

-- Capt. Ian Fishback

Sun Oct 16, 11:26:00 PM CDT

Blogger RT the LT said...

LCpl Jake: Thanks, I will stick up for ANY Service when the libs attack!! Thank you for your service. The Marines are the best of the best...the tip of the spear! Keep up the good work and God Bless!

Mon Oct 17, 12:44:00 AM CDT

Blogger RT the LT said...

Anonymous or should I say "lost in NY":

Cutting and pasting the letter that Captain Fishback sent to Sen. McCain is interesting and all, but I have seen it and I am sure most of my readers have seen it. Never use the letter of a soldier as propaganda.

Mon Oct 17, 12:51:00 AM CDT

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous served in the Corps as a Lance Corporal: 7th Marine Amphibious Brigrade. Stationed at 29 Palms, California.

Thu Nov 10, 05:25:00 PM CST


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